01/26 - XFL Friday!

[Tjololo]

Got some email from pivotal perspectives
Lol @Tjololo that you

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I've been doing work for them for a few months now. They're great people, really trying, but we screwed up a lot in the beginning and tanked their TO. I feel bad cuz it was partially my fault for being confusing. They're having a hard time finding people to do work for them now

 

[Evergreen Queen]

Title: Answer a survey about health and lifestyles | Accept Requester: Research Province [A2JA2LBPNFWYI2] Contact TV: [Hrly: $15.09] [Pay: 4.00] [Fast: null] [Comm: null] [Rej: 0] [ToS: 0] [Blk: 0] TO: [Pay: 3.83] [Fast: 5.00] [Comm: 5.00] [Fair: 5.00] [Reviews: 6] [ToS: 0] TO2: No Reviews Reward: $1.00 Duration: 30 minutes Available: 1 Description: Give us your opinion about health and fitness options Requirements: Total approved HITs GreaterThan 100; HIT approval rate (%) GreaterThan 97; Location EqualTo US [tr][td] HIT exported from Mturk Suite v2.1.5​

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[Starslip]

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I've been doing work for them for a few months now. They're great people, really trying, but we screwed up a lot in the beginning and tanked their TO. I feel bad cuz it was partially my fault for being confusing. They're having a hard time finding people to do work for them now

What kind of work is it?

 

[Tjololo]

What kind of work is it?

Surveys. They're usually pretty well paid (10m ish for $5). They're usually paid $0.50 for the survey since there's screeners. If you get screened out at least you get $0.50. If you get through the whole survey you get a different completion code, and I run a few scripts to grant a qual and notify the people, then we post a $4.50 "full payment" hit.

Their issue seems to be their quals, they're looking for tech or software development people in largeish companies (50 or more people IIRC) for most of their surveys, and that demographic is fairly underrepresented on mturk lol

 

[InfiniteChanges]

Surveys. They're usually pretty well paid (10m ish for $5). They're usually paid $0.50 for the survey since there's screeners. If you get screened out at least you get $0.50. If you get through the whole survey you get a different completion code, and I run a few scripts to grant a qual and notify the people, then we post a $4.50 "full payment" hit.

Their issue seems to be their quals, they're looking for tech or software development people in largeish companies (50 or more people IIRC) for most of their surveys, and that demographic is fairly underrepresented on mturk lol

Apparently I've done one survey for them, "Take our survey to evaluate an Amazon TV commercial".

 

[Starslip]

they're looking for tech or software development people in largeish companies

Doh

 

[Tjololo]

Apparently I've done one survey for them, "Take our survey to evaluate an Amazon TV commercial".

I don't remember that one. They did some experimenting with turkprime in the beginning, caused a bunch of issues. They rejected a lot of people they shouldn't have, then deleted the batches so they couldn't reverse them. It was a shitshow for a while. We've evened out now, but it's taken a toll, a lot of people get very skittish when TO < 4.

It's been a learning experience though. I've noticed that a LOT of people get EXTREMELY angry and bitter. I've been called some pretty bad names over misunderstandings on the worker's part (IE "There's screeners. If you're screened out don't submit", then they submit, are rejected, and threaten to sue). Literally was told "You'll be hearing from my lawyers" lol. My favorite was

"I want to report this to your IRB And I want payment for contacting you"

Like, legit that dude wanted to be paid for sending me an email. He was nutso.

It's been neat setting up a requester script set too. I've figured out how to use the API, gotten a few scripts working (grant quals, change qual values, notify workers) to do some automation. Helps that they're very understanding with me and with other workers too.

 

[Tjololo]

Doh

Yeah, it's rough. Usually they're very explicit on their preview page to let you know exactly what they're looking for though. Too much so IMO, they got spooked by so many people getting livid about being rejected for being screened out, so they're extra verbose about what they're looking for.

 

[Metallica]

I don't remember that one. They did some experimenting with turkprime in the beginning, caused a bunch of issues. They rejected a lot of people they shouldn't have, then deleted the batches so they couldn't reverse them. It was a shitshow for a while. We've evened out now, but it's taken a toll, a lot of people get very skittish when TO < 4.

It's been a learning experience though. I've noticed that a LOT of people get EXTREMELY angry and bitter. I've been called some pretty bad names over misunderstandings on the worker's part (IE "There's screeners. If you're screened out don't submit", then they submit, are rejected, and threaten to sue). Literally was told "You'll be hearing from my lawyers" lol. My favorite was

"I want to report this to your IRB And I want payment for contacting you"

Like, legit that dude wanted to be paid for sending me an email. He was nutso.

It's been neat setting up a requester script set too. I've figured out how to use the API, gotten a few scripts working (grant quals, change qual values, notify workers) to do some automation. Helps that they're very understanding with me and with other workers too.

Re: rejections, my favorite angry people are the ones who give 1's on TO because they weren't sure how to do the work right and got all the hits rejected. Like, what were they expecting? Not understanding (or not caring about) how to do the work correctly should probably be an indicator that you may get rejected.

Edit: Here's an example from a batch that everyone love to hate: https://turkopticon.ucsd.edu/reports?id=A1WLM99D8G0KE5

 

[mboone73]

too sweet me homie....lol

 

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I've been doing work for them for a few months now. They're great people, really trying, but we screwed up a lot in the beginning and tanked their TO. I feel bad cuz it was partially my fault for being confusing. They're having a hard time finding people to do work for them now

Sweet. I’m always down
If I can do anything LMK
Don’t feel bad, I’ll leave a nice TO

@Metallica
You will probably qualify lol

 

[C to the J]

Re: rejections, my favorite angry people are the ones who give 1's on TO because they weren't sure how to do the work right and got all the hits rejected. Like, what were they expecting? Not understanding (or not caring about) how to do the work correctly should probably be an indicator that you may get rejected.

Funny as hell when people with a very loose grasp of the english language rant angrily about getting rejected on writing/review HITs.

 

[Starslip]

Re: rejections, my favorite angry people are the ones who give 1's on TO because they weren't sure how to do the work right and got all the hits rejected. Like, what were they expecting? Not understanding (or not caring about) how to do the work correctly should probably be an indicator that you may get rejected.

That's like yesterday when people were worrying about rejections because someone got a mass reject, but the guy who got it posted a review like "its worst requester is automatically mass rejection don't do its very worst man". Not to bag on people who don't speak English as a first language, but that raises serious red flags about whether they're doing quality work.

Unsurprisingly, they were the only one who had problems.

 

[InfiniteChanges]

I don't remember that one. They did some experimenting with turkprime in the beginning, caused a bunch of issues. They rejected a lot of people they shouldn't have, then deleted the batches so they couldn't reverse them. It was a shitshow for a while. We've evened out now, but it's taken a toll, a lot of people get very skittish when TO < 4.

It's been a learning experience though. I've noticed that a LOT of people get EXTREMELY angry and bitter. I've been called some pretty bad names over misunderstandings on the worker's part (IE "There's screeners. If you're screened out don't submit", then they submit, are rejected, and threaten to sue). Literally was told "You'll be hearing from my lawyers" lol. My favorite was

"I want to report this to your IRB And I want payment for contacting you"

Like, legit that dude wanted to be paid for sending me an email. He was nutso.

It's been neat setting up a requester script set too. I've figured out how to use the API, gotten a few scripts working (grant quals, change qual values, notify workers) to do some automation. Helps that they're very understanding with me and with other workers too.

There's basically only three rejection types I fight: no comment, invalid code (thanks to Kadauchi we have copies now), and my favorite... completed to quickly.

As for Pivatol, I do remember some of their HITs, but as you pointed out they wanted very very specific demos. I work/worked as a data analyst, and so did a lot of the job functions they were looking for, but because I didn't have the title they don't want to use my work. Which was a bummer.

 

[It's Gamera!]

Man, I kind of want to get threatened and yelled at by people.

Maybe I should clog up hit notifier with a series of Barcode and Zoltar exports at random times of the day.

 

[mboone73]

Re: rejections, my favorite angry people are the ones who give 1's on TO because they weren't sure how to do the work right and got all the hits rejected. Like, what were they expecting? Not understanding (or not caring about) how to do the work correctly should probably be an indicator that you may get rejected.

Edit: Here's an example from a batch that everyone love to hate: https://turkopticon.ucsd.edu/reports?id=A1WLM99D8G0KE5

Pontiac replying to Tjolololo? What fucking forum am I even on?

 

[Metallica]

That's like yesterday when people were worrying about rejections because someone got a mass reject, but the guy who got it posted a review like "its worst requester is automatically mass rejection don't do its very worst man". Not to bag on people who don't speak English as a first language, but that raises serious red flags about whether they're doing quality work.

Unsurprisingly, they were the only one who had problems.

This one is probably the best I've seen so far, first review https://turkopticon.ucsd.edu/reports?id=A1WLM99D8G0KE5

Have done many of these in the past with no problems and now I'm getting rejected for incorrect answers.

Some of these hits are a bit confusing but it looks like they're not being lenient anymore. Do at your own risk.

 

[InfiniteChanges]

That's like yesterday when people were worrying about rejections because someone got a mass reject, but the guy who got it posted a review like "its worst requester is automatically mass rejection don't do its very worst man". Not to bag on people who don't speak English as a first language, but that raises serious red flags about whether they're doing quality work.

Unsurprisingly, they were the only one who had problems.

I will add the "obviously looking for free work / AVOID" if I get rejected for some bullshit reason (see previous completed too quickly), but that's honestly there more to let the requester know that bullshit rejections will hurt their ability to get work since I always link their own TO page in my contacts with them.

 

[Devil_Dawg]

Man, I kind of want to get threatened and yelled at by people.

oh yea, MAGGOT! drop and give me 50

 

[Sybaris]

This is a bit late for the comments about hotsauce but I do want to mention that lacto-fermentation is SOOOOO easy once you get a feel for it and fermenting peppers (and garlic and other things) makes making a good hotsauce so awesome.