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It used to be that people would band together to avoid underpriced work. I watched it happen multiple times on the forum I was on that is no more, and while it didn't always change matters - it did happen, as often as not, that when work sat undone for long enough requesters would bump the price back up.

But those days are gone. There isn't anything one person can do about it on their own, and so long as this "anything is better than $0!!!" mindset is king it's probably not going to happen again that turkers band together even in small groups. I know that, I just have a hard time not being sad and mad and disappointed when I see it happen.

Gonna stop there, otherwise I'll get ranty (I also know better than to think anyone wants to read pages of rant on the subject)
It's possible, that others adapt and even with price cuts still manage to earn above what you consider fair. So even with the same philosophy of a fair wage, you may be using a hand saw and they may be using a chain saw.
It occurred to me, as I was angrily shredding junk mail, that the issue here is actually the difference in mindset between the hobbyist/part-timer working for fun money or to supplement a full-time brick and mortar wage, and the full-time freelancer who approaches Turk from more of a business mindset (which may be you as well, I don't believe I've made your acquaintance as yet)

Not only does it feel like an unacceptable risk to continue to work for someone who has proved that they'll drastically cut my pay without warning or reason, *I can't afford* to subsidize them by spending too much time figuring out how to adapt to their lower pay - which in itself has an additional cost for me. If I'm going to spend what little spare time I have doing anything, it'll be finding someone who will pay me decently - which has a clearer and usually (in my experience) much quicker path to success.

I guess if your rent payment isn't hanging in the balance, you wouldn't care as much about stuff like that. Apologies, not sure why that took so long for me to realize.
I mean, even from a "my rent payment hangs in the balance" (well, more like my ability to afford going to the clinic and pay my old credit card bills and not leech too much off of my mother, who is already helping more than she needs to by letting me stay at her house when I'm 30 fucking yars old) standpoint, if there's no union or union-like communication chain for a strike, there's a pretty bad reward/risk ratio to "I'm not gonna work for less than $10" and "I'm not gonna work if they drop the pay." My bills aren't going to let me hold off on them, you know?

Still, I think nobody goes for less than $6/hr, right? I don't really do anything for less than $7/hr, and even that's only if it's very low effort.

turkinlight @turkinlight The thing with your handsaw vs chainsaw comparison is that we were comparing price/hr, not price/hit--and even then, my $8/hr was using a script to let me use keyboard controls, and said keyboard controls were bound to a PS2 controller for reduced hand-pain when I expected the batch to last longer.
 

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You're right it is about sawing--about labor and fair pay for that labor....you don't saw off your leg to make a less than fair and unquestionably poor pay. That allows the bosses to expect work for nothing. And THAT is slavery.
Thank you. That is exactly the point I was trying to make.
 
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New True Grit is more like book True Grit, and therefore my favorite. Old movie Mattie was NOT Mattie at all.
Plus, Rooster is supposed to sound like that.



and that's my old-lady-yelling-at-the-sky moment for the day :p
I have a lot of feelings about True Grit.
agreed, I liked both but the newer one is better
 
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New True Grit is more like book True Grit, and therefore my favorite. Old movie Mattie was NOT Mattie at all.
Plus, Rooster is supposed to sound like that.



and that's my old-lady-yelling-at-the-sky moment for the day :p
I have a lot of feelings about True Grit.
I prefer the original adaptation. Bigger than life to me, but that's why it takes all kinds. Didn't like the new one at all even though I know a lot of people did. I generally love Coen brothers movies. Love all the original actors performances as well.
 
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I made almost 900 last week and I'm consistently in that neighborhood...
lol, you script, don't you? I should probably have listened to all those who told me to learn, back in the day. I ignored them, and now I'm in school and have neither the time nor the free brain space to learn at the moment. So I need to emphasize work that pays fairly *without* requiring me to know how to do stuff I don't know how to do, which is also not the case for everyone.
I have to admit, though, I still feel justified in being upset when work that did pay fairly no longer does. You're welcome to disagree :)
 
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Thank you. That is exactly the point I was trying to make.
Honestly, I took the "hacksaw vs chainsaw" thing as being "maybe someone else is using better tools, and getting a better price/hr on those HITs," missing that we were comparing price/hr already. Better tools DO help and ARE good to have, although there is also the issue that the time spent on those aren't paid, so if you spend too long making tools for batches that don't last, it can be a net negative.
 
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and that's my old-lady-yelling-at-the-sky moment for the day :p
I love this description. I think I'm about done with *my* yelling at the sky moment :D I need to shut the hell up now and go write my (horrendous, awful, terrible, pointless) history of rock final paper, but I'm glad we all could have a brief discussion about a touchy subject without anyone getting mean.

Have a good one, all :wave:
 

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lol, you script, don't you? I should probably have listened to all those who told me to learn, back in the day. I ignored them, and now I'm in school and have neither the time nor the free brain space to learn at the moment. So I need to emphasize work that pays fairly *without* requiring me to know how to do stuff I don't know how to do, which is also not the case for everyone.
I have to admit, though, I still feel justified in being upset when work that did pay fairly no longer does. You're welcome to disagree :)
I actually don't script. I never learned how to either. I take advantage of the skills I do have. I read fast, I work a lot, and I try to stay ahead and work on tasks that aren't being discussed in forums.
 

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Adsforce's not working for anyone else.
 

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Adsforce's not working for anyone else.
I have not had an Adsforce work in...well, can't remember the last time. Could check my database to see when I last submitted one. But they often do not work.
 

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So, got confirmation of a headband that I ordered, for review(free), from eBags cause my hair is getting in my face and I'm not ready to cut it yet. It's got a hidden pocket in it, which I thought was cool. I never would have spent $12 of my own money on a headband. Not while the dollar store is still a thing.:D

Anyway, excited for free presents.
 
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So, got confirmation of a headband that I ordered, for review(free), from eBags cause my hair is getting in my face and I'm not ready to cut it yet. It's got a hidden pocket in it, which I thought was cool. I never would have spent $12 of my own money on a headband. Not while the dollar store is still a thing.:D

Anyway, excited for free presents.
How big is the pocket? Cuz I just got a little excited. Can it hold a housekey?
 
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lol, you script, don't you? I should probably have listened to all those who told me to learn, back in the day. I ignored them, and now I'm in school and have neither the time nor the free brain space to learn at the moment. So I need to emphasize work that pays fairly *without* requiring me to know how to do stuff I don't know how to do, which is also not the case for everyone.
I have to admit, though, I still feel justified in being upset when work that did pay fairly no longer does. You're welcome to disagree :)
If it helps, installing and using scripts is generally really simple, it's making new ones yourself or editing existing ones that takes time. Once you install tampermonkey or some other script plugin, installing these is just a matter of clicking the link where it's hosted, or copy/pasting the code into a new script if someone just posted code.

A couple big things that help me a lot:
The MTurk Multibind LLL Fork allows you to answer nearly any multiple-choice HITs with your number keys. This one differs from the Kadauchi's MTurk Radio Keybinds script in that it works for HITs with multiple questions, having options to move on to the next automatically, and being able to do it manually with tab. This one script alone probably helps more than anything else besides MTurkSuite; not having to slowly click bubbles speeds things up a LOT.

https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/38406-mturk-multibind-lll-fork

MTurk Hourly displays your $/hr on your dashboard, total and per requester. This is helpful for quickly figuring out that a batch that you're on the bench about is garbage, or comparing two batches when they're up.

https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/31108-mturk-hourly

Turkerview isn't as essential as those two, but it provides an extra source of easily visible reviews, a $/hr for your current HIT at the top of the tab, and an easy review link on every HIT.

https://turkerview.com/mturk-scripts/

And Turkmaster probably has some better replacement I haven't heard of (IF ANYONE READING THIS KNOWS, PLEASE TELL ME, it has this frustrating problem where I have to pause it's searches in order for mturk links to work right), but it lets you set an alert for HITs that match different search results; good for knowing right when a requester you like posts.

https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/4771-turkmaster-mturk

There are obviously also plenty of individual scripts for individual batches, they don't help as much as the multibind usually, so you don't need to worry too much about missing them, but if one is easy to do or there's an existing one, there is a good chance someone will post about it here.

Obviously it'd be great if we didn't need these to get a good wage and they were more of an above and beyond thing, and I'd be willing to join in some organized thing to help with that, but in the meantime, this should help with the rent/bills a bit.

--edit: Also, bye, have a nice night.
turkinlight @turkinlight These would probably help you, too, then. At least the first two.
 
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Woost-uh-shuh is the closest I can type according to phonetics but I'm sure mboone73 @mboone73 will be along soon to demand I make a TED talk about it or something
You should just start of youtube channel of yourself pronouncing things.
 

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Amazon just emailed me "recommendations for you!"

They must watch us do 5s because...I have NEVER shopped for any of the stuff they just recommended. Well, except one thing that is sort of related.
 
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