03/22 - Bavarian Crepe Thursday

[LittleDrummerBoy]

I feel we're evaluating them pretty much from the point of view of the patient. Are they pulling the skin too much, are they moving the needle cleanly? Are they putting sutures in the way that makes taking them out very simple or will another medic have to delve to get it out? Do they look confident and competent? I know most of the people they are working on are zzz but when they wake up, the pateints are going to be aware of that stuff. Trained staff tend to be bad at evaluating from patient point of view.

I had that thought too, but there are times when the surgeon does something that as a patient, without more knowledge, I would want to say is too rough or aggressive. For instance, in many cases, the surgeon has to agitate and tear tissue to encourage bleeding, in an effort to aid the healing process post-surgery. There are many instances like this, that could be on purpose and necessary, or at the same time could be accidental and unnecessary, or even damaging.

Edit* I guess my point is that, without them being more specific about what they want, a lot of people doing these HITs will assume they want either a patient / laymen perspective, or that of a professional. We're all armchair doctors when doing these to an extent. I think if they were more clear, they would get more useful results. How do they know the perspective that each worker is taking when they watch the videos and rate them? How much relevant knowledge a worker has, etc. It just seems like they can't get much that is definitively useful out of us.

 

[It's Gamera!]

I feel we're evaluating them pretty much from the point of view of the patient. Are they pulling the skin too much, are they moving the needle cleanly? Are they putting sutures in the way that makes taking them out very simple or will another medic have to delve to get it out? Do they look confident and competent? I know most of the people they are working on are zzz but when they wake up, the pateints are going to be aware of that stuff. Trained staff tend to be bad at evaluating from patient point of view.

I had that thought too, but there are times when the surgeon does something that as a patient, without more knowledge, I would want to say is too rough or aggressive. For instance, in many cases, the surgeon has to agitate and tear tissue to encourage bleeding, in an effort to aid the healing process post-surgery. There are many instances like this, that could be on purpose and necessary, or at the same time could be accidental and unnecessary, or even damaging.

Heh, your outlooks are a lot more humanistic than mine.

 

[klyde]

awww, sheesh, what a nice thing to say thanks. My day has been challenging, thanks for asking. I'm glad to be here now though.

Well hopefully the rest of the day isn't too difficult then.

 

[Michele]

Well hopefully the rest of the day isn't too difficult then.

were you able to get a good part of the tej's?

 

[turkleton]

omg i actually posted a hit.

it felt good.

it felt right.

That hit got me banned from mTurk. Congratulations. Jerk.

 

[klyde]

were you able to get a good part of the tej's?

Yeah. Last night before bed and this morning. Lost a few because I thought they were gonna go right away so had a bunch in my queue and couldn't get to a handful. Still a decent day though.

 

[C to the J]

the doctors performing these procedures (albeit some kind of perform rough on the patients) have at least 7-10 yrs of post high school education.

Csats are asking turkers to critique these doctors. I personally don't have 7-10 years of college education. Now, I'm a fast learner. I'm a rider after all. Most turkers probably are not doctors. I know I'm going on a limb saying that. So why does C-sats want turkers to critique doctors when a lot of turkers couldn't tell a stomach procedure from a vaginal cuff closure?

200 rep points

They lie to their customers and tell them we have more experience than we actually do.
Not even joking.

 

[Michele]

Yeah. Last night before bed and this morning. Lost a few because I thought they were gonna go right away so had a bunch in my queue and couldn't get to a handful. Still a decent day though.

good, that makes me feel better somehow.

 

[Starslip]

They lie to their customers and tell them we have more experience than we actually do.
Not even joking.

Hey, they make us watch that 30 second training video sometimes, we're totally qualified

 

[C to the J]

Hey, they make us watch that 30 second training video sometimes, we're totally qualified

Not the same as being "pre-qualified".

 

[Starslip]

Not the same as being "pre-qualified".

I watched it before the task started, so "pre" Totally not misleading and all above board

 

[Zenophanes]

My brain hurts...after a eon of trying to wrap my head around a password memorization hit, I just had to give up. I felt I was getting it, and was able to pass the initial tests, but the second the next set started everything I did was wrong...

 

[C to the J]

I watched it before the task started, so "pre" Totally not misleading and all above board

I'll allow it.gif

 

[klyde]

good, that makes me feel better somehow.

Yeah there were a lot of us that were getting them this morning. Was a good day for a lot of people.

 

[arvy]

They lie to their customers and tell them we have more experience than we actually do.
Not even joking.

I honestly assume this is how most of the work on Mturk is.

 

[Starslip]

Yeah there were a lot of us that were getting them this morning. Was a good day for a lot of people.

 

[lolkatB]

Not the same as being "pre-qualified".

And the practitioner makes an assumption that "pre-qualified reviewer' means someone who is training to be a practitioner, rather than someone who doesn't have a practitioner's qualification, but instead has watched a video on how to review the videos. But of course they aren't being misled , no no no.

 

[micky]

Was there some sort of a mass rejection by John/Empirical Jury? Or are the people complaining because they were rejected for missing ACs?

 

[Starslip]

Was there some sort of a mass rejection by John/Empirical Jury? Or are the people complaining because they were rejected for missing ACs?

I haven't had any rejected

 

[C to the J]

I haven't had any rejected

He gives statistics when he rejects you.
Something like "I approved 96.5% of all surveys"

Means if you in that small percentage you probably done fucked up.