08/18 - So As It Is Saturday!

[rsclone]

Title: Consumer Survey(~ 7 minutes) | Accept Requester: M Kwon [A3GEFG5NSHZIPY] Contact TO: [Pay=2.10] [Fast=5.00] [Comm=1.00] [Fair=5.00] [Reviews=13] [ToS=0] Reward: 0.50 Duration: 1320 Available: 28 Description: A short survey on consumers Qualifications: Total approved HITs GreaterThanOrEqualTo 100; Exc: [-465078810-102779] DoesNotExist ; HIT approval rate (%) GreaterThanOrEqualTo 97; Location In US [tr][td] HIT exported from Mturk Suite v2.3.7​

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[tricker]

So ..... CAPTCHA is definitely a reality now.

What does this mean?

 

[rsclone]

bring bug spray (it it has been anything like it has - up here). So many mosquitoes

the trail goes around a pond and a small lake fed by a couple small streams....it's like walking thru a curtain of mosquitos and bugs normally but wind was pretty strong so not many around....

 

[Jerami]

What does this mean?

I don't think it means anything new. Some studies will have Captcha or ReCapthca embedded to help prevent bots. But, I don't see this as anything new or discouraging.

EDIT That said, the problem is not new, nor significantly larger than it has been, imo. I just think everyone is fueling this fake news fire. I'm not going to help them.

DBL EDIT This is why I stay away from FB and Reddit.

 

[tricker]

I don't think it means anything new. Some studies will have Captcha or ReCapthca embedded to help prevent bots. But, I don't see this as anything new or discouraging.

EDIT That said, the problem is not new, nor significantly larger than it has been, imo. I just think everyone is fueling this fake news fire. I'm not going to help them.

Ah. Got it. yeah, I see a lot of ReCaptchas in studies I do, and I'm fine with it. We all know there are bots out there, people scam mturk as much as they can before they are caught, and mturk is doing NOTHING to work against that. I'm glad requesters are finding something they can use to make themselves feel better about using mturk.

 

[A6_Foul_Out]

Ah. Got it. yeah, I see a lot of ReCaptchas in studies I do, and I'm fine with it. We all know there are bots out there, people scam mturk as much as they can before they are caught, and mturk is doing NOTHING to work against that. I'm glad requesters are finding something they can use to make themselves feel better about using mturk.

There's a small section of indian scammers w/american turk accounts and vpns.

Researchers refusing to block these workers is their own damn fault.

What does this mean?

Some ignorant researcher on reddit saw scam Indian results from a VPN as bots. (these are people writing nonsense and shit like "YES" "GOOD THING" for open-ended answer questions)

He wrote his "findings" on reddit.

Hack journalists wrote articles on the complete misinformation by saying turk is infested with bots taking surveys. This has gotten around to univerities who are adding recaptcha/captcha to all of their surveys now.

@electrolyte contributed in a wonderful article posted by Wired. Her contributions are truly appreciated.

 

[tricker]

There's a small section of indian scammers w/american turk accounts and vpns.

Researchers refusing to block these workers is their own damn fault.

Some ignorant researcher on reddit saw scam Indian results from a VPN as bots. (these are people writing nonsense and shit like "YES" "GOOD THING" for open-ended answer questions)

He wrote his "findings" on reddit.

Hack journalists wrote articles on the complete misinformation by saying turk is infested with bots taking surveys. This has gotten around to univerities who are adding re-captcha to all of their surveys now.

@electrolyte contributed in a wonderful article posted by Wired. Her contributions are truly appreciated.

I saw the original study posted by the alarmist, but only skimmed it and thought, "eh, easy enough to put in attention checks and reject those who fail, come on now..." Guess I missed stuff about captchas.

Now I'm going to go find that wired article.

 

[ALinAL]

Ah. Got it. yeah, I see a lot of ReCaptchas in studies I do, and I'm fine with it. We all know there are bots out there, people scam mturk as much as they can before they are caught, and mturk is doing NOTHING to work against that. I'm glad requesters are finding something they can use to make themselves feel better about using mturk.

I have noticed some new attention check methods popping up in surveys over the past couple of weeks. Aside from Captchas. I consider this a good thing on several levels, not the least of which being I'm way past annoyed by lazy requesters using the exact same damn attention checks over, and over, and over again.

 

[A6_Foul_Out]

I saw the original study posted by the alarmist, but only skimmed it and thought, "eh, easy enough to put in attention checks and reject those who fail, come on now..." Guess I missed stuff about captchas.

Now I'm going to go find that wired article.

https://www.wired.com/story/amazon-mechanical-turk-bot-panic/

 

[cassius]

I don't think it means anything new. Some studies will have Captcha or ReCapthca embedded to help prevent bots. But, I don't see this as anything new or discouraging.

EDIT That said, the problem is not new, nor significantly larger than it has been, imo. I just think everyone is fueling this fake news fire. I'm not going to help them.

DBL EDIT This is why I stay away from FB and Reddit.

well i don't know but i'm wondering what requesters are going to do when folks start sending surveys back with in those writing blocks that are underpaid that they are talking about with I Am Not a BOT within several times in all caps in them? I've seen more attention check questions this week than I can count. some surveys now have them every three questions. if they think they aren't going to tick people off ...

 

[mboone73]

So I went and got a tetanus shot just to be on the safe side. They agreed that this was a good idea. They said they couldn't stitch it because I waited too long. My career as a hand model is over.

 

[cassius]

I have noticed some new attention check methods popping up in surveys over the past couple of weeks. Aside from Captchas. I consider this a good thing on several levels, not the least of which being I'm way past annoyed by lazy requesters using the exact same damn attention checks over, and over, and over again.

there was even a survey one day that was nothing but attention checks. i think they were testing them out.

 

[A6_Foul_Out]

I'm way past annoyed by lazy requesters using the exact same damn attention checks over, and over, and over again.

any amount of creativity would be a solution, yeah.

 

[thismegan]

There's a small section of indian scammers w/american turk accounts and vpns.

Researchers refusing to block these workers is their own damn fault.

Some ignorant researcher on reddit saw scam Indian results from a VPN as bots. (these are people writing nonsense and shit like "YES" "GOOD THING" for open-ended answer questions)

He wrote his "findings" on reddit.

Hack journalists wrote articles on the complete misinformation by saying turk is infested with bots taking surveys. This has gotten around to univerities who are adding recaptcha/captcha to all of their surveys now.

@electrolyte contributed in a wonderful article posted by Wired. Her contributions are truly appreciated.

The responses posted in that first article mentioned earlier looked like typical foreign scammers on mturk. It's not surprising they share a proxy or VPN, and the requesters should just filter those out and report the accounts to Amazon. The paranoia is sad.

edit... Here's the Wired article is anyone is interested: https://www.wired.com/story/amazon-mechanical-turk-bot-panic/

 

[ALinAL]

there was even a survey one day that was nothing but attention checks. i think they were testing them out.

Did that one!

 

[rsclone]

So I went and got a tetanus shot just to be on the safe side. They agreed that this was a good idea. They said they couldn't stitch it because I waited too long. My career as a hand model is over.

there's always lingerie shacks as a fall back....

 

[rsclone]

There's a small section of indian scammers w/american turk accounts and vpns.

Researchers refusing to block these workers is their own damn fault.

Some ignorant researcher on reddit saw scam Indian results from a VPN as bots. (these are people writing nonsense and shit like "YES" "GOOD THING" for open-ended answer questions)

He wrote his "findings" on reddit.

Hack journalists wrote articles on the complete misinformation by saying turk is infested with bots taking surveys. This has gotten around to univerities who are adding recaptcha/captcha to all of their surveys now.

@electrolyte contributed in a wonderful article posted by Wired. Her contributions are truly appreciated.

because paying people fairly for good work is out of the question....
keep paying us $3/hr for your "vital research" and expect to get extremely careful, well thought out and reasoned responses is the way to go....

 

[Jerami]

well i don't know but i'm wondering what requesters are going to do when folks start sending surveys back with in those writing blocks that are underpaid that they are talking about with I Am Not a BOT within several times in all caps in them? I've seen more attention check questions this week than I can count. some surveys now have them every three questions. if they think they aren't going to tick people off ...

If I understand your first sentence, what they will do when they receive submissions with the writing portion filled in as "I AM NOT A BOT" is reject them, which is exactly what they should do for substandard work, regardless of it's pay. Don't accept a bad paying HIT. If you do occasionally, get over it. Sometimes you eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you. That's the price we pay to have the freedom to do what we want and still get paid. Anyone who gets ticked off about excessive attention checks, should maybe go find a different HIT to do, or stick to A9's. If the study pays fair for my time, it could literally all be attention checks and I couldn't care less. Nothing forces me to take a HIT. I am in complete control of what I decide to do, just like everyone else here.

And just to repost, this is not a new problem and there are solutions that work well to take care of most of it.
http://turkrequesters.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-bot-problem-on-mturk.html
I almost feel like we should move this topic to a different thread because it's a non-issue that is gaining credence just by us giving it so much attention.
My 2 cents.

 

[A6_Foul_Out]

because paying people fairly for good work is out of the question....
keep paying us $3/hr for your "vital research" and expect to get extremely careful, well thought out and reasoned responses is the way to go....

https://www.reddit.com/r/mturk/comm...s_use_those_google_captcha/e4f5h2x/?context=3

ofc their evidence comes from surveys they pay 3/hour. Using well paid, well reviewed surveys on TO and TV wouldn't help their case at all because the vast majority of those responses would be of extremely high quality.

 

[thismegan]

So I went and got a tetanus shot just to be on the safe side. They agreed that this was a good idea. They said they couldn't stitch it because I waited too long. My career as a hand model is over.

You need to use protection, finger jockey!